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Post by stephanie on Sept 25, 2008 14:27:26 GMT -5
Hey everyone; Just read an article on www.huffingtonpost.com by Tim Giago. Article date is Sept. 22, 2008 and titled "A story dying to be told". In short, it talks about how much money was lost on wall street regarding the Black Hills Trust. The trust is close to 1 Billion but sources are saying millions are lost unless feds are bailed out. For those who are against the trust...no big deal. For those in favor, pay close attention to what if any is recouped. Hard times and getting harder. stephanie
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Post by stephanie on Sept 25, 2008 15:05:42 GMT -5
I guess the title should be Black Hills Trust gone....not Black Hills stock gone. Either way, those tribes who were interested need to pay close attention to the millions lost in a money market on Wall Street. stephanie
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Post by DawnDay on Sept 25, 2008 18:42:49 GMT -5
STEPHANIE,
MY DAUGHTER AND I WERE CHECKING HER RETIREMENT FROM A HOTEL, WHERE IS WORKS . SHE FIGURES SHES LOST 3% OF HER RETIREMENT FUND, JUST SINCE THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. NOT GOOD, BUT SHE MAY NOT HAVE ANY LEFT, AFTER TOMORROW.
I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT A TRUST FUND WOULD BE SAFE, I THOUGHT IT JUST SAT THERE AND WOULD DRAW A SMALL INTEREST. I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE ALLOWED TO SPECULATE/GAMBLE WITH A TRUST MONEY LIKE THAT.
THANK YOU, I WILL BE CHECKING IN ON THAT NEWPAPER, FOR MORE ARTICLES FROM TIM GIAGO..
I JUST READ THE SITE STORY " THE STORY DYING TO BE TOLD" COULD NOT BELIEVE IT.
I COPIED THE ARTICLE AND AM GOING TO EMAIL IT ON TO OTHER RELATIVES.
BY THE WAY I WANTED TO SAY, I LOVE YOUR ( MAD STOMPING DUCK) IT IS SOOO CUTE., IT JUST CRACKED ME UP. I NEEDED A GOOD LAUGH TODAY.
DAWNDAY
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Post by stephanie on Sept 26, 2008 11:36:06 GMT -5
Dawnday; I also am in shock that the trust was put into a money market. Of course it made money but was also at risk. Others that I have e-mailed thought the trust was safe. We need more info on this especially from Tim Giago and his sources. Glad you like the duck. That's what my kids call me...Duck said this and Duck said that. I get riled up like Donald Duck on certain issues. stephanie
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Post by DawnDay on Sept 26, 2008 20:17:13 GMT -5
STEPHANIE,
THAT'S ME ALSO, ONLY THERES NO ONE HOME TO HEAR ME, SO I PUT MY MUSIC ON TURN ON THE SPEAKERS AND SOMETIMES STOMP JUST LIKE YOUR DUCK, THEN I SETTLE DOWN AND ACTUALLY START DANCING AND ENJOYING THE MOMENT TO MYSELF. IT HELPS. AT LEAST UNTIL MY NEIGHBOR STARTS COMPLAINING, UNFORTUNATELY SHE HAS MY PHONE NUMBER, SO WHEN IT STARTS RINGING I ALMOST SEE THE COLOR RED COMING FROM IT. SHE NEEDS TO LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE, WERE GOING TO BE A LONG TIME IN THE GROUND. I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME EXPLAINING TO DO AT THE PEARLY GATES, BUT I DO THINK I WILL END UP TALKING MY WAY IN , IN THE LONG RUN. OR ST. PETER WILL JUST GET TIRED OF LISTENING TO ME, OKAY, OKAY, OKAY GO IN. ANYTHING TO SHUT ME UP.
MY DAUGHTER THINKS I'M FUNNY , BUT I AM DEAD SERIOUS WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.
PLEASE READ MY INPUT ON THE INDIAN AFFAIRS-OYATE, YOU CAN PICTURE ME JUMPING UP AND DOWN LIKE YOUR DUCK, BEFORE I SAT DOWN TO WRITE TODAY. I PULLED UP WHO IS BECOMING WEALTHY WITH OUR WAR IN IRAQ, AND THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF MY NECK STOOD ON END. THEN I GOOGLED WHO STARTED WW1, THEN PULLED UP THE GREAT DEPRESSION, THEN WW11 AGAIN IT IS MONEY MAKING FOR A FEW SELECT PEOPLE, THEN I GOOGLED- WHAT BUSINESS MEN HAD THE BIGGEST PROFITS. I'TS GOOD NO ONE WAS HOME. HOWEVER, I HAD TO VENT TO SOMEONE, SO I GOT ON OYATE TO SHARE A LITTLE OF WHAT I FOUND OUT THOUGHT IT BEST THAT I NOT PUT THE EXACT NAMES, BUT YOU CAN LOOK IT UP YOURSELVES.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
THANKS,
DAWNDAY
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Post by stephanie on Sept 28, 2008 13:26:12 GMT -5
Dawnday; Good vent. When you know the sacrifices relatives made for all of us, it is important to question the establishment. That is our right. These candidates promise so much and usually deliver ZIP...especially to Indian people. The democratic nominees promised to free Leonard Peltier or the very least give him a new trial. Obama, Clinton and Edwards refused to attend Prez on the Rez and so it was not promised by any of them. In fact, Clinton's husband left office with a pardon for his loser brother instead of Leonard. Natives are always the last to be heard and therefore so imperative that our voices rise above the rest. We need it, we deserve it, we should demand it. We all need to keep a close eye on the wasicu's that hold the trust money just as Eloise Cobell has done for the last 7 years. Whether you are for or against the Black Hills trust money, someone needs to be held accountable for millions that may have been lost. I used to think that Jesus will be back before the Sioux Nation takes the money. Not so sure now as this is a wake up call. The Feds will never give back the Black Hills so why should they continue to keep and gamble with the trust? Too many are hurting.
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Post by DawnDay on Sept 29, 2008 2:17:27 GMT -5
STEPHANIE I HAVE BEEN A DEMOCRAT ALL MY LIFE. I WENT ON LINE, GOOGLED EVERYTHING I COULD THINK OF TO BETTER MY DEMOCRATIC PARTY. BUT INSTEAD THE MORE I FIND OUT THE MORE IT IS TO THE DETRIMENT OF OUR GOVERNMENT. I GUESS LEONARD PELTIER IS SUPPOSE TO BE A LESSON FOR THE REST OF ANY INDIANS THAT EVEN THINK OF OPPOSING THEM. OUR TIME CAME AND WENT, JUST TO MANY OF THEM. I THINK WE ARE JUST A NUISANCE TO THEM WITH US WANTING OUR BLACK HILLS BACK, ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. AT LEAST IN MY LIFE TIME. I READ THE SITE'S ON OYATE, WITH WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE OLD AND (STUBBORN) AND THE YOUNG NEEDING THE MONEY THAT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR THEM. EACH EXPRESSING THE PRO'S AND CON'S REGARDING THE ELDERS HOLDING OUT SIGNING, WITH PRIDE IN THEIR VOICES. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE MONEY, IS GONE ANYWAY. I BELIEVE WE ARE A JOKE TO WHAT EVER POWER, IS IN AT THE MOMENT. SO I THINK, WITH SAYING WE WILL HOLD OUT AND NEVER GIVE IN. IS REALLY FOR NOTHING. BECAUSE YOU CANNOT REALLY IMAGINE, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM THAT THEY COULD OR WOULD GIVE THE BLACK HILLS BACK TO THE LAKOTA PEOPLE. LOOK WHO'S FACES ARE SCULPTED THERE IN THE HILLS. AND IF IT IS TRUE, THE MONEY IS GONE, IT WAS FOR NOTHING ANYWAY AND THE WASICU'S WIN AGAIN. AND AGAIN I HAVE SAID TO MUCH AND SAID MY PIECE.. BUT GOD GAVE ME A BRAIN AND A WAY TO EXPRESS MYSELF, AND I INTEND TO USE IT TILL THE DAY I DIE. I TOLD MY DAUGHTER, WHAT EVER ELSE SHE PUTS ON MY GRAVE STONE. I ASK ONE THING I WANT IT TO SAY( I TOLD YOU SO). IT'S OUR JOKE I ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE THE LAST WORD. AND NOW I HAVE PROBABLY MADE MORE ENEMIES, BUT THAT'S OKAY I HAVE BROAD SHOULDERS. GOD BLESS ALL OF US, DAWNDAY
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Post by whipple on Oct 15, 2008 19:22:20 GMT -5
Attached is transfers and corrections for tribal loans starting July, 1989 borrowed against the Black hills settlement Docket # 74. I understand the current document figures are much higher. I will post a copy as soon as I receive it.
ok, I can not figure out how to post the document.
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Post by DawnDay on Oct 15, 2008 20:30:50 GMT -5
WHIPPLE,
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR POSTING THE DOCUMENT.(BLACK HILLS SETTLEMENT DOCKET #74.)
DAWNDAY
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Post by Jimmy on Oct 15, 2008 22:15:37 GMT -5
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Post by whipple on Oct 15, 2008 22:30:04 GMT -5
Thanks Jimmy -
Dottie Whipple
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Post by whipple on Oct 15, 2008 23:07:40 GMT -5
One more thought..... I was very surprised to learn that this document listed funds from the Black Hills settlement were actually being loaned to tribes although most of the members that I have talked to know nothing of it? Am I the only one surprised to learn this?
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Post by jazzdog on Oct 16, 2008 2:23:10 GMT -5
thanks all for posting on this
this is disturbing if true......if true, the situation leads one to believe that it may be a common day breach of trust. We should all look into this further........I know that there have been rumours about how the government has spent previous trust allocated funds in the past. thanks for the heads up. However, we need to put the proof to the test on the accounting. The practical way to start, as I perceive it to be, is to start a Freedom of Information Act request for any and all documents that deal with the Docket 74 case since 1970 forward.......we might even consider going back as far as the original date of the illegal taking of 1877. we need some thoughtful and helpful ideas on this one before we develop a strategy on how best to get to the bottom of this dirty governmental barrel. any thoughts are appreciated.
your friend
Jazzdog
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Post by DawnDay on Oct 16, 2008 3:03:12 GMT -5
WHIPPLE,
THANKS, FOR THE EMAIL. IF I CAN HELP AT ALL LET ME KNOW.
DAWNDAY
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Post by Mathew503 on Oct 16, 2008 12:48:53 GMT -5
MMMYYESS!!!! Dirty Pool Indeed...........
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Post by stephanie on Oct 21, 2008 21:55:31 GMT -5
Hi everyone; The key word is "Trust" or held in trust. There has never been trust in the Federal Government...we know that. What about the tribes? The Sioux Nation was blind to this? Someone allowed the trust to be put into a money market. This is exactly why a huge investigation is needed as suggested by Tim Giago. He can't understand why more people aren't upset. stephanie
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Post by DawnDay on Oct 22, 2008 0:08:08 GMT -5
STEPHANIE AND WHIPPLE,
I JUST GOOGLED (HELD IN TRUST FUNDS), AND I GUESS THERE IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE LAW SPECIFIES SECURITIES IN WHICH TRUST FUNDS MAY BE INVESTED, BUT IT WOULD SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE WOULD HAVE HAD TO KNOW ABOUT THIS FROM THE TRIBE. BUT THEN WE SEEM TO CONTINUE TO TRUST WHAT WE ARE TOLD, AND NOT FOLLOW UP ON OUR BEST INTERESTS.
HOW DO WE CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION, AGAINST OUR FED. GOVERNMENT? WHO WOULD TAKE OUR CASE. AGAIN, WE SEEM TO LOOSE AND GET THE SHAFT.
WHO DO WE COMPLAIN TO? DID TIM GIAGO HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? PERHAPS EMAIL OUR CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENATIVES.
KEEP US POSTED ON ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
DAWNDAY
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Post by mdenney on Apr 1, 2009 13:32:04 GMT -5
Man O man...
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Post by allie on Jun 12, 2009 8:08:25 GMT -5
You all may want to check in to this a little further. Kettering, before he passed, and the other lawyers have stated that this money was set aside for the wrongful taking of the Black Hills and not money for the sale of the Black Hills. Apparently the 1868 treaty was rejected by the U.S. Courts, imagine that, and so was taken to the World Court which means that it will probably die there no matter what it decides. What kind of power does the World Court have anyway? This money was awarded to the Great Sioux Nation and not the Rosebud, Ogalala, Santee, Standing Rock, Ft. Peck Tribal Councils to do with as they please. There is a difference! Like what was stated in one other post on this link, some "Tribal Councils" have borrowed money from this pool, how much is not known, but there has to have been some agreement from all 8 Tribal Councils for money to have been withdrawn or at least a majority agreement amongst themselves for this to happen. Do some research.
allie
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